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that is good for israel. that is also good for gaza. >> mark regev, thank you for joining me. >> reporter: my pleasure, sir. >> abdullah is the charlotte motor speedwmo president of the committee. >> reporter: i hope the americans will not go forward with another mistake. the palestine and the palestine question is indivisible, gaza is part of the palestinian people. and the question of the leadership is authentic. the people elected the leader of the palestinian people. but the americans try to divert their attention from the central issue of how to go about making peace in the middle east, and try to concentrate just how to control one party or another, this will be a grave mistake, this service -- a disservice to peace and to the stability of the region. >> so are you personally concerned that all the dealings here appear to have been done directly with hamas, and not with a wider group to include president abbas? >> well, president abbas was not absent from these negotiations. of course, when there is a f
that is good for israel. that is also good for gaza. >> mark regev, thank you for joining me. >> reporter: my pleasure, sir. >> abdullah is the charlotte motor speedwmo president of the committee. >> reporter: i hope the americans will not go forward with another mistake. the palestine and the palestine question is indivisible, gaza is part of the palestinian people. and the question of the leadership is authentic. the people elected the leader of the palestinian people....
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defended by israel's new hero, the iron dome, an antimissile missile system made in israel helped with american money. of 900 rockets fired at israel in six days, only about 30 hit populated areas. >> we enjoy the iron dome, which is a huge success. and luckily -- >> reporter: there's a siren now. let's see what happens. it will only fire. the system calculates which rockets will hit an inhabited areas, like here, but it misses 2 out of 10, making life scary. children in bomb shelters for the sixth straight day. i'm afraid of the sirens, this 7-year-old says. another siren -- just as we left, not sure how many rockets have been fired right now, but the iron dome -- one, two, three, four iron dome rockets are exploding. we'll see what damage it did. five rockets fired from gaza, four intercepted, one got through and fell in a garden. there's some drama right now. nobody knows if there's casualties. terrifying some neighbors. others defiant. >> we will survive. we will survive. >> nbc's martin fletcher reporting. israel's iron dome comes with a hefty price tag. the u.s. has reportedly sp
defended by israel's new hero, the iron dome, an antimissile missile system made in israel helped with american money. of 900 rockets fired at israel in six days, only about 30 hit populated areas. >> we enjoy the iron dome, which is a huge success. and luckily -- >> reporter: there's a siren now. let's see what happens. it will only fire. the system calculates which rockets will hit an inhabited areas, like here, but it misses 2 out of 10, making life scary. children in bomb...
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israel threatening to take the next step if if hamas doesn't stop the rocket fire into israel. the next step ground troops moving in. we want to bring in ambassador dennis ross, served as adviser to four presidents and is a mideast diplomacy analyst. it's great to have you with me today. big news coming within the last hour, al jazeera reporting that the ceasefire is going to be announced this evening in cairo. now egypt will reportedly be agreeing to oversee this plan which is said to include an easing of the crossroads into gaza. so peace appears to be eminent but what do you make of the transparency of what the outline of it deal is? >> well, i think we still need to see it implemented. having spent a lot of time in the middle east, done a lot of negotiations, one thing i know about this part of the world, nothing is concluded until you actually see it carried out. it's one thing to talk about it. it's something else to do it. so let's actually see the ceasefire take hold. what i'm hearing is that by midnight their time, which would be around 5:00 our time, that's when it mi
israel threatening to take the next step if if hamas doesn't stop the rocket fire into israel. the next step ground troops moving in. we want to bring in ambassador dennis ross, served as adviser to four presidents and is a mideast diplomacy analyst. it's great to have you with me today. big news coming within the last hour, al jazeera reporting that the ceasefire is going to be announced this evening in cairo. now egypt will reportedly be agreeing to oversee this plan which is said to include...
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and in to israel in general. the other issues may not necessarily be involved hamas but the egyptians and the smuggling of weapons in to the gaza strip and more often than not go through the sinai peninsula and egypt's territorial waters and probably pressure on egypt to deliver and secure that smuggling route so that weapons don't end up in hamas' hand. that's what they brought to the table. certainly hamas would only do so with assurances that israel going to stop assassination of the leaders and easing of the blockade and we understand issues discussed perhaps in coming days or weeks. it is really -- it goes back to a central issue, this buys time for the people of did za in terms of attacks and doesn't address the larger issue of gaza in context of the ongoing israeli-palestinian conflict and something people say has to be addressed, part of a larger picture. not an isolated one. >> thanks so much. >>> we want to go to tel aviv and correspondent stephanie gosk joins me. as you were hearing in the reporting, u
and in to israel in general. the other issues may not necessarily be involved hamas but the egyptians and the smuggling of weapons in to the gaza strip and more often than not go through the sinai peninsula and egypt's territorial waters and probably pressure on egypt to deliver and secure that smuggling route so that weapons don't end up in hamas' hand. that's what they brought to the table. certainly hamas would only do so with assurances that israel going to stop assassination of the leaders...
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to defuse or is it possible to dee fuse what is going on right now between israel and hamas welcome. >> it's very difficult because the landscape, you know, surrounding gaza has been transformed since we went through this kind of spasm in in 2008. and every potential player here is having to recalculate and it's very difficult to control this. the united states has some cards to play but they're not very strong cards. >> eliot: what role is egypt playing? morsi has been hard to understand. is he going to be an useful advocate in getting hamas to back down or is going to have to play to his domestic audience and continue to back up hamas. >> he has got a very difficult political road to play. he has competing constituencies, and interests. as i know, you know, there is a potential opportunity here. president obama prior to the election was very candid in saying morsi is not yet friend, not adversary. there is an opportunity to find a way to work together to help keep a lid on this crisis. to me i see a parallel between the dilemma that morsi is presented and the dilemma that governor
to defuse or is it possible to dee fuse what is going on right now between israel and hamas welcome. >> it's very difficult because the landscape, you know, surrounding gaza has been transformed since we went through this kind of spasm in in 2008. and every potential player here is having to recalculate and it's very difficult to control this. the united states has some cards to play but they're not very strong cards. >> eliot: what role is egypt playing? morsi has been hard to...
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would say if 700 rockets hit you, israel has a right to self-defense. if this gets out of hand, you have a new government in egypt that shares some roots, some political roots, with hamas but doesn't want to wreck its relationship with us. you have the situation in syria that is so violent and i think israel knows that it wants to be careful not to let this out of hand. and so maybe this three party, i agree with martin, this three-party agreement could be very important and maybe a sign that in his second term president obama is going to get more engaged in the peace process. there has been talk of sending president clinton as a mideast envoy. i thought that was an intriguing idea. but at least i think this is -- these are all very good signs for the situation. >> e.j., stay with us, and martin fletcher, thanks to you. i want to bring in senator chris koonce. senator, good morning. >> good morning 0, chris. >> the senate did unanimously pass that resolution standing by israel, something you co-response arored. what do you think hillary clinton brings t
would say if 700 rockets hit you, israel has a right to self-defense. if this gets out of hand, you have a new government in egypt that shares some roots, some political roots, with hamas but doesn't want to wreck its relationship with us. you have the situation in syria that is so violent and i think israel knows that it wants to be careful not to let this out of hand. and so maybe this three party, i agree with martin, this three-party agreement could be very important and maybe a sign that...
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she went beyond that. >> meanwhile, gas are a firing rockets and israel responded by removing 16,000 reswervist troops to the border. today strongly asserted egypt's support, i repeat. he warned that quote, egypt today is different from egypt yesterday and the asias today are different from the asias yesterday. joining me now pj crowley. now a professor at george washington university. thank you for joining us. >> a pleasure, eliot. >> eliot: it seems to me with all this screaming and shouting about susan rice's testimony. the only thing that struck me for legitimate upset might be that general petraeus has said he believed it was a terrorist and the u.n. ambassador said originally it was not that. is that a legitimate area of some investigation by congress? >> in fairness to susan rice. she did not say it was an act of terrorist. she didn't rule it out either. she made clear her understanding of what happened would evolve over time. the significance of general petraeus on the hill is to begin a more fullsome process to answer questions that still don't have complete answers. the sec
she went beyond that. >> meanwhile, gas are a firing rockets and israel responded by removing 16,000 reswervist troops to the border. today strongly asserted egypt's support, i repeat. he warned that quote, egypt today is different from egypt yesterday and the asias today are different from the asias yesterday. joining me now pj crowley. now a professor at george washington university. thank you for joining us. >> a pleasure, eliot. >> eliot: it seems to me with all this...
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america's commitment to israel's security is rock solid and unwavering. that's why we believe it is essential to de-escalate the situation in gaza. the rocket attacks inside gaza on israeli cities and towns must end, and a broader calm restored restored. >> so you hear hillary clinton there, israel saying some of the conditions they want out of this cease-fire is no more rockets fired out of gaza, soldiers patrolling the frontier would not attack and weapons stock pile would not be relen replenished. as we saw the bombing today it hasn't happened yet. we'll be joined by tim mack, a defense reporter for politico. thank you for coming on to the show. i want to is ask you tim is president obama, he's oversea overseeing all this. is he doing a good job? are we able to judge whether his job, even sending clinton from afar, has done the right thing? >> we know that the president has been involved in the negotiations. he has talked to egyptian president morsi at least three times over the a last 24, 36 hours. we know he's involved accepting secretarysecretary of
america's commitment to israel's security is rock solid and unwavering. that's why we believe it is essential to de-escalate the situation in gaza. the rocket attacks inside gaza on israeli cities and towns must end, and a broader calm restored restored. >> so you hear hillary clinton there, israel saying some of the conditions they want out of this cease-fire is no more rockets fired out of gaza, soldiers patrolling the frontier would not attack and weapons stock pile would not be relen...
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so long as israel maintains a siege on gaza. they want it lifted and they want guaranteed backed by the international community that israel will no longer engage and target and kill senior leaders of the palestinian factions here in gaza. they want all of these demands guaranteed by the international community. for its part israel wants to approach it from a different angle. they want a complete cessation of hostilities for 38 hours for so followed by a -- other concerns they have. the challenge for egypt is to try and close that gap as quickly as possible because essentially everyone here feels that they're running out of time. you have the israelis amassed on the border and palestinian factions still firing rockets and caught in the middle are the 19.6 million palestinians living in gaza subject to the attacks from the israeli side. this is the challenge egyptians negotiate with the u.n. officials today including the secretary-general as well as turkey's prime minister and regional leaders participating in these talks. tamron.
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israel wants the end of weapons smuggled into gaza. that's what the issue is going to be about. >> we've been talking the last couple days broadcasting through this and you've made the point that these types of squirmishes along the border, they are routine. not the fact that a palestinian was killed but these attempts to kind of go up to the fence and test that border line, right? i mean this happens all the time. every day. >> well, it's been going on for years. and that's one of the problems. the israelis patrol the area. palestinian people who live on the other side, it's their land. they want to use their land. to many of them it's farmland. but it's also land that palestinian militants can use to lay land mines and to shoot at israelis. the closer the palestinians come to the fence, the more worried the israelis are that they're actually, what the israelis call terrorists. so the israelis instituted what they call a 300 yard no-go zone. palestinians not allowed in that. israel wanted that to stop terrorists. but the palestinians
israel wants the end of weapons smuggled into gaza. that's what the issue is going to be about. >> we've been talking the last couple days broadcasting through this and you've made the point that these types of squirmishes along the border, they are routine. not the fact that a palestinian was killed but these attempts to kind of go up to the fence and test that border line, right? i mean this happens all the time. every day. >> well, it's been going on for years. and that's one of...
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he never went to israel. i think now is probably not the time to get involved there but i think he's going to have to, in the second term, especially if these incidents show, they're going to try to do some middle east peace deal again. >> yeah, i mean you know, in addition to all of this which is a much more local conversation, we need to think in a broader sense. there's no big international moral voice on this question and i think until we have that kind of unquestionable, moral voice with an honest broker as well as a spiritual dimension this isn't going to get resolved by different types of policies. the record is clear. >> tim mak i want to ask you does the president see this as an opportunity to be the moral voice that tricia rose just talked to? >> if he does see the opportunity, he isn't really seizing on it. you haven't really seen him going out-front on the issue. you do see him giving speeches. you see him sending secretary of state hillary clinton over there and working behind the scenes rather t
he never went to israel. i think now is probably not the time to get involved there but i think he's going to have to, in the second term, especially if these incidents show, they're going to try to do some middle east peace deal again. >> yeah, i mean you know, in addition to all of this which is a much more local conversation, we need to think in a broader sense. there's no big international moral voice on this question and i think until we have that kind of unquestionable, moral voice...
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israel wants to deal. if there's no deal, then as they keep saying, all options are still open. >> martin fletcher reporting from tel aviv, thanks so much. >>> we want to bring in our political panel. we have nationally syndicated radio talk show host and msnbc contributor michael and perry bacon, political editor. yes men, great to have you here. it seems that every president in modern times has had to deal with the tensions that flair up within the middle east. they always try to talk about overseeing a long-term cease-fire. as we should on the brink of those discussions right now, between gaza and israel, what is the broader impact of the idea that not only will there be a cease-fire, but the fact that israel's neighbors will verify their right to exist, which is the longer formatted problem? >> well, yeah, i think we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. i think the first step is to cease hostilities. i think that the state department has already said that's step one for secretary of state clinton's arriva
israel wants to deal. if there's no deal, then as they keep saying, all options are still open. >> martin fletcher reporting from tel aviv, thanks so much. >>> we want to bring in our political panel. we have nationally syndicated radio talk show host and msnbc contributor michael and perry bacon, political editor. yes men, great to have you here. it seems that every president in modern times has had to deal with the tensions that flair up within the middle east. they always try...
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and israel. here's israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu earlier today. >> the palestinians must recognize the jewish state. and they must be prepared to end the conflict with israel once and for all. none of these vital interests, these vital interests of peace, none of them appear in the resolution that will be put forward before the general assembly today. and that is why israel cannot accept it. >> joining me now to talk more about this, former state department mideast officer joel ruben. also palestinian italian journalist and msnbc contributor willa jabroe. both israel and the u.s. say the resolution violates agreements to solve issues through negotiations which broke down two years ago. on the heels of the recent violent clashes between gaza and israel is now the right time for this vote? >> well, it's a fate acomply that the vote is going to take place. it's been in the works for some time before -- really the bigger issue is how will the parties react after it? there's been a calm re
and israel. here's israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu earlier today. >> the palestinians must recognize the jewish state. and they must be prepared to end the conflict with israel once and for all. none of these vital interests, these vital interests of peace, none of them appear in the resolution that will be put forward before the general assembly today. and that is why israel cannot accept it. >> joining me now to talk more about this, former state department mideast...
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supported israel, where there is unity in israel. relatively speaking. where the arab and the muslim street haven't risen up. what is the big channel? iran. so, i think it's possible. this is the optimistic view but i mostly believe it. it's quite possible that netanyahu is more strongly positioned to deal with iran at the enof this conflict than ten days ago. >> i call that wildly optimistic. i think hamas has not lost anything. in effect it will come out of these negotiations gained something. we have don't know what it is now. it did this with utter impunity. that in and of itself is a victory. >> i just think that the arab street is still up. when you hear that turkish prime minister calling israelis terrorists and you have the sense that charles calls it pornography but of the death of children among palestinians, there is great upset in the arab world. the question is can -- how does it play in syria? do iranians exploit it to their end? at the moment, if the grand troops can be restrained and netanyahu should be credited with responding to preside
supported israel, where there is unity in israel. relatively speaking. where the arab and the muslim street haven't risen up. what is the big channel? iran. so, i think it's possible. this is the optimistic view but i mostly believe it. it's quite possible that netanyahu is more strongly positioned to deal with iran at the enof this conflict than ten days ago. >> i call that wildly optimistic. i think hamas has not lost anything. in effect it will come out of these negotiations gained...
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this was just the trial run. >> israel next month. >> israel as well. >> very quickly, mike, because i want to get to this because i was struck by it when we talked about it earlier. a bit about benghazi and susan rice. 97 house republicans sent this letter to president obama. i want to just read a little bit from it. ambassador rice is widely viewed as having willfully or incompetently misled the american public. her actions give u.s. allies and rivals abroad reason to question u.s. commitment and credibility when needed. the president last week in his press conference seemed very gung ho on susan rice. what do you make of the politics of this? as i pointed out to dom and he pointed out, too, 97 house republicans or 250 doesn't matter because this is not a matter for house republicans if he does nominate her. what do you make of the susan rice fight? is it a fight worth having if you're the president of the united states? >> well, look, when i look at the benghazi issue, i see serious issues about security, did we get our understanding of what was going on in libya right? i'm not su
this was just the trial run. >> israel next month. >> israel as well. >> very quickly, mike, because i want to get to this because i was struck by it when we talked about it earlier. a bit about benghazi and susan rice. 97 house republicans sent this letter to president obama. i want to just read a little bit from it. ambassador rice is widely viewed as having willfully or incompetently misled the american public. her actions give u.s. allies and rivals abroad reason to...
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>> you know, israel and egypt fought wars in the past. we fought bloody wars and people on both sides lost their lives in 1948 and 1956 and 1967 and again in 1973. in the late 1970s we signed a peace treaty with israel that has brought peace to the border, and i think that's in the interests of both countries to keep that peace treaty. that's in the israeli interests and the egyptian interests. we have hamas that shares a common border with egypt and israel, and we think both sides have an interest to make sure that mass and the other extremists in gaza don't stir up trouble. don't cause friction. don't create violence. and i think we and the egyptians work together on keeping the peace and on trying to make sure the terrorists don't dictate the agenda. >> mark, suggestions that this past eight, nine days was a practice run, if you will, for any faw tour confrontation, testing, identifying hamas' capabilities, is that true enough? and if so, what did you learn? >> well, first of all, we know the rockets that were fired at tel aviv and jer
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but where does israel extend the hand of diplomacy, where does israel stand firm? also, as woe are focusing on iran, should isisrael -- should israel be careful not to take its eye off of hamas? >> well, israel extends its hand in diploam ausall the time. we did this time. we are very receptive and very attentive to the wishes and words of secretary clinton. we cooperated with the egyptian president and we gave peace a chance. we also are doing all we can to make the life of our palestinian neighbors better, both in quality and in the standard of living in the west bank. i think that the one thing that the hamas should watch and especially the people in gaza who are held hostage in this world's largest prison by hamas should watch the way their brethren in the west bank live in peace and safety and security and in prosperity. i think most palestinians really want that. at the same time, because hamas is indeed a proxy of iran, we're not taking our eyes off the ball, neither of hamas, nor of iran. and in a way, what you saw over the last few days was also a demonstr
but where does israel extend the hand of diplomacy, where does israel stand firm? also, as woe are focusing on iran, should isisrael -- should israel be careful not to take its eye off of hamas? >> well, israel extends its hand in diploam ausall the time. we did this time. we are very receptive and very attentive to the wishes and words of secretary clinton. we cooperated with the egyptian president and we gave peace a chance. we also are doing all we can to make the life of our...
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as ayman said this is the 300 yard no go area israel declared several years ago when israel was worried militants were putting land mines in that area. that's why it's a no go area in that place. so the israelis say they fired warning shots to scare the palestinians away. they fired three times in the air. when that didn't work they -- there was more shooting. the israelis have not confirmed they killed anybody. and they're saying this is no the a cease-fire violation. it's one of the events that have been occurring up and down the border for a long time and they don't see it as part of the cease-fire situation. rather, an attempt to control an unruly palestinian crowd. that's what the israelis are saying. craig? >> nbc's martin fletcher from tel aviv for us this afternoon, thank you much, sir. appreciate that. >>> back here the obama administration continues to try to bring peace to the region. hostilities broke out, president obama dispatched his top diplomat hillary clinton, to calm tensions on wednesday in cairo. she, of course announced that cease-fire standing alongside her egypti
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israel is not under the bus. the fact is that president obama, and we shall not forget it, helped us to find us those missiles. and security -- we asked them. they responded positively. and is the president of the united states. we enjoy the support of the two parties. and it is -- and i don't want to say anything against candidate romney any time. but we are not taking parts in the american campaign. and we are lucky to have the support of the two parties. and until -- it's hard to become the president of the united states. and i met all the presidents for the last 50 years, republicans and democrats. i must say, most of them are exceedingly friendly. exceedingly. >> so what about you? you're getting close to 90 years old. that's hard to believe. you look so great. how do you feel? >> i feel that i am too young to do the job. what can i tell you? >> because you still have some energy left. >> i think that everybody can be like me. and i think i'm lucky to show my people. i'm here not to woo the people. someone h
israel is not under the bus. the fact is that president obama, and we shall not forget it, helped us to find us those missiles. and security -- we asked them. they responded positively. and is the president of the united states. we enjoy the support of the two parties. and it is -- and i don't want to say anything against candidate romney any time. but we are not taking parts in the american campaign. and we are lucky to have the support of the two parties. and until -- it's hard to become the...
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and israel will not change. what has changed is what colby address, and that is, the reality of the arab world. we no longer have mubarak in power in egypt, and that guaranteed to played a key role in dealing with israel. nina is absolutely right, the islamic jihad backed by iran is putting pressure in gaza, and on hamas itself. this has to stop. 1500 rocket attacks on an area slightly twice as large as washington d.c. on wednesday. and attacks within the suburbs of tel aviv and jerusalem are absolutely unacceptable. but i think the hope is this compound -- is this, barack obama has a political advantage because benjamin netanyahu is up for reelection and favored to win. but he was so obvious and so transparent in his support of mitt romney, all but endorsing him this year, i think there is a chance for a resolution. >> that is absurd. what resolution? hamas's charter declares that not only is israel illegitimate and has to be eradicated, but in the carter -- in the charter, jews are the cause of wars starting b
and israel will not change. what has changed is what colby address, and that is, the reality of the arab world. we no longer have mubarak in power in egypt, and that guaranteed to played a key role in dealing with israel. nina is absolutely right, the islamic jihad backed by iran is putting pressure in gaza, and on hamas itself. this has to stop. 1500 rocket attacks on an area slightly twice as large as washington d.c. on wednesday. and attacks within the suburbs of tel aviv and jerusalem are...
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state department, they don't recognize israel, state of israel. but it's a very powerful, military component and the social component. >> it's important to recognize there are multiple facets of hamas. born in the 1980s, came out of the muslim brotherhood where you see other alliances developing with other countries and you mentioned because they're born of the muslim brotherhood as well. born as a resistance movement but quickly realized that provide for the people would win the hearts and minds. and so yes you have the political wing, military wing, and the social wing, runs schools, hospitals, and they get the grassroots support, mainly from that side of things. >> what does it mean? you've got the cease-fire that happens. if there is in fact a time of calm here, what is the outcome of all of this? i mean, does hamas stay where it is or do they grow, do they become more powerful? who are losers and who are the winners? >> the pessimist in me, i said last time, i predicted they would come to a truce before a ground engagement happened and everyo
state department, they don't recognize israel, state of israel. but it's a very powerful, military component and the social component. >> it's important to recognize there are multiple facets of hamas. born in the 1980s, came out of the muslim brotherhood where you see other alliances developing with other countries and you mentioned because they're born of the muslim brotherhood as well. born as a resistance movement but quickly realized that provide for the people would win the hearts...
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as animals, supports hamas in this latest conflict, the hamas charter calls for the destruction of israel, and you were on this program telling me everything's going to be fine. this is democracy. now the radical islamist has grabbed all the power and obama is giving him credibility. now tell me you support what happened in that here square is a good thing. happened in tahrir square is a good thing. >> i'm hopeful about the egyptian people. they're not going to let this radical muhammad morsi take over power. >> sean: he already has. >> sean: he called himself god, but three things against him, sean. the military is against him. the protesters are against him, the egyptian people. >> sean: are they going to rise against him, assassinate him, get rid of him? >> absolutely. protesters are wounded in a demonstration against this morsi guy, and i think it will continue. people will win in the end. i am very hopeful about that. they fought for this freedom. they're not going to let -- they're just not going to let morsi walk with it. morsi is a very dangerous man right now, sean. you are right
as animals, supports hamas in this latest conflict, the hamas charter calls for the destruction of israel, and you were on this program telling me everything's going to be fine. this is democracy. now the radical islamist has grabbed all the power and obama is giving him credibility. now tell me you support what happened in that here square is a good thing. happened in tahrir square is a good thing. >> i'm hopeful about the egyptian people. they're not going to let this radical muhammad...
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israel claims the people were rioters. sara sidner has more. >> well, tom, the palestinian authority has already come out with a statement saying they believe this has broken the cease fire, but you have to remember that it is hamas that is in control right now in gaza and that israel has not responded to this. this is an incident where hamas says that there were 25 people injured. one person killed when israeli soldiers opened fire on farmer, however, the israeli military having a very different take on what happened. they say they were groups of men trying to go under the fence and they fired a warning shot in the air and when not heeded, they fired at their leg. the israeli military has not confirmed whether or not someone died or any of the injuries, but at this point, i think what we're not hearing from hamas and israel, the cease fire still holds and that's what a lot of civilians on either side are really hoping, but really in the end, they're hoping for a permanent solution. tom? >> moving on to the democratic repu
israel claims the people were rioters. sara sidner has more. >> well, tom, the palestinian authority has already come out with a statement saying they believe this has broken the cease fire, but you have to remember that it is hamas that is in control right now in gaza and that israel has not responded to this. this is an incident where hamas says that there were 25 people injured. one person killed when israeli soldiers opened fire on farmer, however, the israeli military having a very...
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israel and hamas agreeing to a cease-fire but israel says it's going to maintain its border restriction even though they'll talk about it but not lift the naval block aid and hamas says they'll arm gaza with rockets that could be fired into israel. how stable is this situation? >> i think there's a peace deal that's foreseeable. it's not difficult to to foresee. the deal is israel stop with the assassinations and hamas stop firing the rockets. the second part is israel would do something in terms of the border crossing, get activity back to normal which is something the palestinians dearly want as well as to have a sense that hamas would stop smuggling of weapons coming from syria. that's why the naval blockade is in place. they have the possibility of the united states coming in. you asked about u.s. pressure but also the u.s. playing a greater role. if the obama administration says let's let them settle it themself but they said we'll play a more aggressive role. that's the challenge for the obama administration in the second term where as in the first term they wanted a light footpri
israel and hamas agreeing to a cease-fire but israel says it's going to maintain its border restriction even though they'll talk about it but not lift the naval block aid and hamas says they'll arm gaza with rockets that could be fired into israel. how stable is this situation? >> i think there's a peace deal that's foreseeable. it's not difficult to to foresee. the deal is israel stop with the assassinations and hamas stop firing the rockets. the second part is israel would do something...
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meanwhile, israel is not taking any chances. tomorrow schools will remained closed if they're within 30 miles of the border. >> shannon: thank you. cease-fire appears to be a foreign policy achievement for the obama administration. many problems remain in the volatile of the tough neighborhoods. here is ed henry. >> president obama has a lot riding on the outcome in the middle east. violence flaring up weeks before the start of the second term. he was on the phone again today with two leaders he has a complicated relationship with. egyptian president mohammed morsi and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. the president getting netanyahu to agree to the tentative cease-fire with the carrot of additional u.s. funding for iron dome and other missile defense progra programs. >> i have agreed we will fight weapons of terror. >> u.s. and israel knows they send the rockets to hamas through egypt, which is why the president is using more of a stick in the conversation with morsi. today, hillary clinton praising and pushing morsi,
meanwhile, israel is not taking any chances. tomorrow schools will remained closed if they're within 30 miles of the border. >> shannon: thank you. cease-fire appears to be a foreign policy achievement for the obama administration. many problems remain in the volatile of the tough neighborhoods. here is ed henry. >> president obama has a lot riding on the outcome in the middle east. violence flaring up weeks before the start of the second term. he was on the phone again today with...
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israel's right to defend itself. hillary clinton has met with the palestinian leader weather the egyptian president, with the israeli prime minister but not with hamas. that's going to continue to reverberate in the way that the president has dealings with the arab world going forward from this, and that's what they're looking at as they look forward to the next four years. >> the question, can she get this deal done or push it along. >> and she's dealing with a very different set of players. the playing field has changed dramatically. you have an egypt, tunisia that are no longer in the same position vis-a-vis israel. th then you have turkey, too. that's another sort of wild card where the relationship between israel and turkey deteriorated so much from 2010 to today that, you know, the u.s. really is in a position where they really can't take too many steps back from israel because it's more isolated now than it was even two years ago. so it's a complicated situation. i think that if hillary clinton can navigate it
israel's right to defend itself. hillary clinton has met with the palestinian leader weather the egyptian president, with the israeli prime minister but not with hamas. that's going to continue to reverberate in the way that the president has dealings with the arab world going forward from this, and that's what they're looking at as they look forward to the next four years. >> the question, can she get this deal done or push it along. >> and she's dealing with a very different set...
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hamas and israel continue their aerial assault on each other. hamas has launched more than 200 rockets in the past 24 hours and israel bombed dozens of targets overnight. >> we are in a battle to save lives. >> reporter: israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu met with secretary of state hillary clinton tuesday night. he says israel is hoping for a peaceful end to the fighting. >> if there's a possibility of achieving a long-term solution to had problem through diplomatic means, we prefer that. >> reporter: clinton assured israel of u.s. support. >> the rocket attacks from terrorist organizations inside gaza on israeli cities and towns must end. >> reporter: secretary clinton met with palestinian leader mahmoud abbas this morning and will lead are egyptian president mohamed morsi later today. >> the goal is to promote regional stability and advance the security and legitimate aspirations of israelis and palestinians alike. >> reporter: egyptian president mohamed morsi is seen as critical to any peace deal. his muslim brotherhood is hamas' pare
hamas and israel continue their aerial assault on each other. hamas has launched more than 200 rockets in the past 24 hours and israel bombed dozens of targets overnight. >> we are in a battle to save lives. >> reporter: israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu met with secretary of state hillary clinton tuesday night. he says israel is hoping for a peaceful end to the fighting. >> if there's a possibility of achieving a long-term solution to had problem through diplomatic...
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we go from there to israel. nbc's martin fletcher is standing by in tel aviv for us. benjamin netanyahu spoke to the media a couple of hours ago. what did he say, martin? >> he said that they were celebrating in gaz a. he said here israel delivered what he called a massive blow against hamas and gaza, destroying much of the military infrastructure, destroying much of their long-range rockets. he said to the israeli people that he believed the truce is lasting for israel at this time. and those are the critical words, at this time. israel is looking with great skepticism at the cease-fire, waiting to see whether rockets resume, if not now, in weeks, months, and hopefully another round will not occur. but that's everybody's expectation. i want to say to what ayman was saying about the declaration of victory in gaza. the path for victory for hamas is very, very low, and the path for victory for israel is very, very high. israel has much higher demands, a complete stop to all rockets firing. >> interesting in the balance you point out there. let me ask you quickly, martin
we go from there to israel. nbc's martin fletcher is standing by in tel aviv for us. benjamin netanyahu spoke to the media a couple of hours ago. what did he say, martin? >> he said that they were celebrating in gaz a. he said here israel delivered what he called a massive blow against hamas and gaza, destroying much of the military infrastructure, destroying much of their long-range rockets. he said to the israeli people that he believed the truce is lasting for israel at this time. and...
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. >> in cairo today delegations from israel and hamas are there for indirect talks to work on details beyond the initial cease-fire. i have a list of topics they're expected to cover, opening border crossings, easing israel's economic blockade and what do you expect from these discussions today? what are the chances any progress will be made? >> i think these already tough discussions. all the leverage that comes with having the military action on going is gone now. the pressure to make tough concessions and compromises is diminished and morsi is very distracted biz his own domestic crisis. i think you can have these talks go on for some time without major changes and that sets up the prospect for more conflict in the future. >> during this time if it takes awhile will the cease-fire hold? >> i think right now neither side has interest and i think more israel if iran starts to rearm hamas very quickly and i think they will see that as an untenable situation and it is possible you could over the next weeks see a resumption in some level of fighting. >> michael sing, good to see you. th
. >> in cairo today delegations from israel and hamas are there for indirect talks to work on details beyond the initial cease-fire. i have a list of topics they're expected to cover, opening border crossings, easing israel's economic blockade and what do you expect from these discussions today? what are the chances any progress will be made? >> i think these already tough discussions. all the leverage that comes with having the military action on going is gone now. the pressure to...
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and israel in september i remember seeing headline where israel complimented hamas on the help it was offering so i really don't think those rockets which are long-standing issue can possibly explain why this crisis broke out at this time. i think it is about israeli electoral politics. it was something killed by those rockets. >> jennifer: juan cole, thank you very much. >> until the outbreak of this war. >> jennifer: until the outbreak of this current conflict. juan, thank you for joining us. go blue. juan cole from the university of michigan. coming up, walmart calls black friday its super bowl. but is the game rigged? a walmart employee tells us why she plans to spend the day on the picket line. plus, it's rule number 28 for politicians. never trust your future to a guy named grover. why mr. norquist and his infamous pledge may be up against the ropes. that and much more right after the break. at cepacol we've heard people are going to extremes to relieve their sore throats. oh, okay, you don't need to do that. but i don't want any more of the usual lozenges and i want new cooling
and israel in september i remember seeing headline where israel complimented hamas on the help it was offering so i really don't think those rockets which are long-standing issue can possibly explain why this crisis broke out at this time. i think it is about israeli electoral politics. it was something killed by those rockets. >> jennifer: juan cole, thank you very much. >> until the outbreak of this war. >> jennifer: until the outbreak of this current conflict. juan, thank...
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one is israel is a great ally, there's domestic political support for a strong relationship with israel. at the same time it's also supposed to be the kind of neutral arbiter, the mediator in the region that will bring this about. it seems we don't do a good job of playing those two rules. >> well those two roles have also been intentioned, they've grown more intentioned over time. you had eight years of an administration that really gave up on trying to play the arbiter role, at which point the figure leaf kind of came away. the administration did a great job actually tactically, playing both of those roles in a way that they hadn't done at all during the first term, sending the secretary of state out to be the arbiter while the president could give the defender of israel speeches like that that's a tactical solution that doesn't get anywhere near the long-term structural problem that it isn't the same middle east that it was five years ago. what do you do instead? how do you serve the long-term interests of israel, especially when maybe many americans don't see israel's long-term inte
one is israel is a great ally, there's domestic political support for a strong relationship with israel. at the same time it's also supposed to be the kind of neutral arbiter, the mediator in the region that will bring this about. it seems we don't do a good job of playing those two rules. >> well those two roles have also been intentioned, they've grown more intentioned over time. you had eight years of an administration that really gave up on trying to play the arbiter role, at which...
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and israel. there's about 2 million jews who live here in the united states and a large population of them in florida, new york, new jersey, maryland. and they play an important role in the religious life here in the united states as well as the political life. another group that plays a big part? evangelical christians, stronger supporters of israel and christians united for zion have as many as 750,000 members. that gets tricky with the theological beliefs that jesus may be returning to jerusalem. >> i spoke with the mayor of jerusalem yesterday who seemed to underscore the importance of his city's religious sites. let's listen. >> they're focusing on destruction, on killing, on hurting innocent people. today they even tried to take a shot at jerusalem. god forbid! could you imagine what would have happened if they hit a holy site in the city of jerusalem, the church, the western wall, the mosque? they would, of course, blame us for that. >> and it's interesting you say that evangelical christi
and israel. there's about 2 million jews who live here in the united states and a large population of them in florida, new york, new jersey, maryland. and they play an important role in the religious life here in the united states as well as the political life. another group that plays a big part? evangelical christians, stronger supporters of israel and christians united for zion have as many as 750,000 members. that gets tricky with the theological beliefs that jesus may be returning to...
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he's known as a leading strategist as israel confronts iran's nuclear program. he's looking forward to spending more time with his family. he will spend his current post until the new government is formed as the new elections are on january 23rd. >>> and on to egypt, things are calm right now after four straight nights of violent protests. tahrir square, a large crowd still camped out there. and just in the past hour mohamed morsi met with top judges. morsi issued a decree seizing new powers. it sparked massive riots that killed one protesters. nbc's jim maceda joins us live. we were advised to be careful when saying morsi tried to seize power. specifically run down the decree or what he's seeking here. >> reporter: well, the whole issue of power is what's at stake, and you mentioned that meeting in your lead. that meeting with -- between morsi and top egyptian judges is absolutely critical to this whole playing out of what's going to happen to egyptians in this country. that face-to-face meeting has been going on now for almost four hours. there were indication
he's known as a leading strategist as israel confronts iran's nuclear program. he's looking forward to spending more time with his family. he will spend his current post until the new government is formed as the new elections are on january 23rd. >>> and on to egypt, things are calm right now after four straight nights of violent protests. tahrir square, a large crowd still camped out there. and just in the past hour mohamed morsi met with top judges. morsi issued a decree seizing new...
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how do you serve israel when many americans don't see israel's long term interest as they do. we are not talking about the hundreds of people who died in syria over the time of gaza. we have a long -- you know, the administration did a great job on the short term, but we have a long term problem that our political system won't let us figure out. >> picking up on what heather is saying it poses a test for the obama administration and the trons formation in the middle east. you see it in the fascinating relationship between president obama and morsi. two pragmatists trying to find a way to mediate this immediate conflict. you see it against the backdrop of an islamist backdrop of turkey and the riots in jordan that will cause increasing problems. you have that changing environment which you know more about. the arabs need something different. the governments need to be more responsive to their people. it's an opening for a different relationship. no american president is going to criticize, i would argue, israel's launching of this war. it is an opening for our relationship with
how do you serve israel when many americans don't see israel's long term interest as they do. we are not talking about the hundreds of people who died in syria over the time of gaza. we have a long -- you know, the administration did a great job on the short term, but we have a long term problem that our political system won't let us figure out. >> picking up on what heather is saying it poses a test for the obama administration and the trons formation in the middle east. you see it in...
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they have constantly encouraged attacks against israel. iran has played a major role in terms of being the provider of the arsenal that existed there. my guess is they will now try to replenish it because the israelis have stepped back that arsenal in a fairly significant way. >> what about the suggestion that israel was doing all of this and while doing this over the last eight, nine days they were testing out the resources that hamas has and those being supported and supplied by iran? i mean, in that sense did iran play its role? >> well, again, i think we have to put it in some perspective. israel acted because they were not prepared to allow hamas to create what i call a new normal, meaning that you can't have a cease fire and hamas decides or islamist jihad decides they will disrupt whenever they want to. you can't fire rockets on an increasingly shorter interval so that they have their life constantly disrupted. the israelis saw this taking place and hamas was having more involvement in the attacks. the israelis decided they could no
they have constantly encouraged attacks against israel. iran has played a major role in terms of being the provider of the arsenal that existed there. my guess is they will now try to replenish it because the israelis have stepped back that arsenal in a fairly significant way. >> what about the suggestion that israel was doing all of this and while doing this over the last eight, nine days they were testing out the resources that hamas has and those being supported and supplied by iran? i...
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news from today and of the week that israel and gaza settle into an i'm easy ceasefire after eight days of a strikes and rocket attacks but a long term peace deal is yet to be agreed on. crowds of protesters of three said tear gas in cairo as they marched out angry at this loving president prompting himself a sweeping new powers. e.u. leaders leave brussels with no decision on their truly new a common spending the new round of the budget battle moved to next year are. made almost financial troubles taking their toll on european regions got alarms going to the polls in relation dominated by separate just feeling. the three pm here in moscow you live with us on our t.v. with me to bang would say first the ceasefire in gaza that ended an eight day israeli offensive remains intact despite the details of a lasting peace deal having yet to be negotiated more than one hundred sixty palestinians were killed in the assault while some us rocket attacks killed six israelis as already as policy reports many israelis are disappointed with the outcome of the operation and view the truce as a victory
news from today and of the week that israel and gaza settle into an i'm easy ceasefire after eight days of a strikes and rocket attacks but a long term peace deal is yet to be agreed on. crowds of protesters of three said tear gas in cairo as they marched out angry at this loving president prompting himself a sweeping new powers. e.u. leaders leave brussels with no decision on their truly new a common spending the new round of the budget battle moved to next year are. made almost financial...
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will hamas agree not to throw rockets into israel, which was the main demand that israel had? if you remember, unlike -- when they wanted to get rid of the hamas leadership in gaza, they never said that this time. this was not about regime change or getting rid of hamas. it was about stopping those rockets. if that happens, that will be good for israel. and for hamas, if they manage to get their leaders to be able to survive and not be able to be assassinate bid israel that, would be good, and also if they get the blockade lifted that, will be good too. that's what they wanted. hamas, of course, has emerge as diplomatically triumphant only because it's failed to be isolated as israel, other countries have wanted in the past. >> and as we have always said, by all parties, want to walk away from this claiming victory, and we'll see if that actually occurs. christian, we'll be back with you shortly. thank so much. >> still 52 minutes before the cease-fire is expected to take hold, and we'll see. i mean, we will see how this develops throughout the afternoon, whether or not this i
will hamas agree not to throw rockets into israel, which was the main demand that israel had? if you remember, unlike -- when they wanted to get rid of the hamas leadership in gaza, they never said that this time. this was not about regime change or getting rid of hamas. it was about stopping those rockets. if that happens, that will be good for israel. and for hamas, if they manage to get their leaders to be able to survive and not be able to be assassinate bid israel that, would be good, and...
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the town is in southern gaza close to the border with israel. the shooting incident occurred on friday morning right on the border. a group of palestinians approached the border fence. israel says its soldiers fired warning shots -- first in the air, then at their feet. one palestinian died and 19 others were wounded. >> this is a clear violation of the agreement, and i hope egypt has agreed to be very clear, very strong with a violation like this happens, that it will not be repeated again. >> neither side wants a return to fighting, and palestinians want the border to egypt kept open. on friday, some people were allowed into gaza, and border guards let through aid supplies, which are badly needed after eight days of israeli attacks. >> it has been the wonder of the eurozone -- germany's economy has continued to grow while the rest of europe has slowed. >> that growth is now so minimal that economists say 2013 next year could see a return to recession. still, german businesses shrugging off that possibility. >> business managers are upbeat abou
the town is in southern gaza close to the border with israel. the shooting incident occurred on friday morning right on the border. a group of palestinians approached the border fence. israel says its soldiers fired warning shots -- first in the air, then at their feet. one palestinian died and 19 others were wounded. >> this is a clear violation of the agreement, and i hope egypt has agreed to be very clear, very strong with a violation like this happens, that it will not be repeated...
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. >> america's commitment to israel's security is rock solid and unwavering. that's why we believe it is essential to deescalate the violence in gaza. the goal must promote regional stability and advance the security and legitimate aspirations of israelis and palestinians alike. >> as diplomatic efforts ramp up, the u.s. blocked a u.n. security council resolution yesterday condemning the conflict because the resolution didn't address rockets fired from palestinian territory. >>> to politics, one thing not to be thankful for on the eve of this holiday season -- 2016. that's right. just two weeks after the longest, most expensive and most exhausting election in u.s. history, troubled eyes are turning this morning to 2016 speculation as it begins over the next batch of candidates. republican up and comer jeb bush jr. says his dad needs to make a run for the white house. >> your dad going to run for president? >> i don't know. no comment. i certainly hope so. >> which is it, i don't know or no comment? >> you said. i don't know. no comment, and i hope so. which ar
. >> america's commitment to israel's security is rock solid and unwavering. that's why we believe it is essential to deescalate the violence in gaza. the goal must promote regional stability and advance the security and legitimate aspirations of israelis and palestinians alike. >> as diplomatic efforts ramp up, the u.s. blocked a u.n. security council resolution yesterday condemning the conflict because the resolution didn't address rockets fired from palestinian territory....
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gaza and israel. they have got them up here, cnn.com. if our photographer, dave, will zoom in for a second for me. they are amazing. this is a woman grieving in gaza over lost relatives. this is a car hit by a rocket in southern israel today fired from gaza. these are some kids taking shelter or lying down during the air sirens in israel. and these are kids walking around in an area hit inside gaza. so kids in the conflict, really powerful images. >> you are talking about that iron dome defense system, it's been working well. but it, too, can be overwhelming. >> thank you very much, josh. civilians living in fear as israeli forces battle hamas militants across the border. intent civilians caught in the crossfire. gives you 1% cash back on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone likes 50% more... [ midwestern/chicago accent ] cheddar! yeah! 50 percent more [yodeling] yodel-ay-ee-oo. 50% more flash. [ southern accent ] 50 percent more taters. that's where tots come from. [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card giv
gaza and israel. they have got them up here, cnn.com. if our photographer, dave, will zoom in for a second for me. they are amazing. this is a woman grieving in gaza over lost relatives. this is a car hit by a rocket in southern israel today fired from gaza. these are some kids taking shelter or lying down during the air sirens in israel. and these are kids walking around in an area hit inside gaza. so kids in the conflict, really powerful images. >> you are talking about that iron dome...
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any more than it's in israel's interests. so -- but these are people who have long been in opposition and they're having to learn to balance these political calculations as they go forward. >> right. and there's no rest after election day when you're the active president. p.j. will stay with us as we turn to another discussion right on point with president obama's foreign policy team. many republicans are attacking ambassador susan rice, a top candidate to replace secretary of state clinton. the senate has spiked some key nominations from president obama before, from elizabeth warren to nobel peace prize winner peter diamond. there is one number that suggests obama is likely to win this battle. we will look at the math after the break on "now." so you say men are superior drivers? yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. ok. [ voice of dennis ] silence. are you in good hands? [ male announcer ] it's that time of year. time for
any more than it's in israel's interests. so -- but these are people who have long been in opposition and they're having to learn to balance these political calculations as they go forward. >> right. and there's no rest after election day when you're the active president. p.j. will stay with us as we turn to another discussion right on point with president obama's foreign policy team. many republicans are attacking ambassador susan rice, a top candidate to replace secretary of state...
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so the family asked israel for permission to cross the border. initially her mother was terrified, terrified at the prospect of people considered an enemy in their country putting their hands on her wounded daughter. it is a strange situation, and it is my first time entering israel. i was afraid. but they treated me and my daughter in a very nice way and i understand that medicine has nothing to do with politics, she says. >> all the tension is blocked outside the hospital. here there is an island of sanity. in this stormy water of the middle east, here we treat people, we don't actually look from where they are and what they do and what they did before coming here and what they're going to do after leaving us. >> reporter: the doctor is treating both children. >> it will never be normal. it will affect her life from now on. and his life from now on. in the choice of profession, in the choice of a future partner for life, everything. >> reporter: she has worked in this tel aviv hospital her entire career. treating everyone from soldiers to suici
so the family asked israel for permission to cross the border. initially her mother was terrified, terrified at the prospect of people considered an enemy in their country putting their hands on her wounded daughter. it is a strange situation, and it is my first time entering israel. i was afraid. but they treated me and my daughter in a very nice way and i understand that medicine has nothing to do with politics, she says. >> all the tension is blocked outside the hospital. here there is...